Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Daily Discussion: Daniel-Meyer Coliseum

Stefan Stevenson of the Star-Telegram had an article this morning that drew attention to the disparity between Daniel-Meyer Coliseum and the basketball facilities of the Big 12. You can read the whole thing by clicking here. There's nothing earth-shattering in the article: if you've been inside the DMC any time in the last couple of decades, you already knew it was below par for the MWC...much less our new conference home.

With the renovations to Amon G. Carter within months of completion and already entirely paid for, the next massive project has to be Daniel-Meyer. But (at least to my knowledge) plans for an upgrade of the 50 year-old facility have not taken shape as of yet, which leads us to today's daily discussion questions.

If you were in charge of bringing TCU's basketball home into the 21st century, what would those plans look like? Would you renovate the facility and add seats and luxury suites? Would you tear it down and build a completely new arena in its place? Or would you look for another site?

PS- if you're wondering what that baseball diamond is doing in the picture above where the football and basketball practice facilities are now, that is actually the old TCU Baseball Diamond- which predated Lupton Stadium. And I use the term "old" loosely, because believe or not our baseball program used that as their home field until 2001.

23 comments:

Curt McDurt said...

level it, build a new one and sacrifice not having true "home games" for a year. That is the only way to get these 18 year olds to come to TCU for basketball and turn the program around. We are in the hotbed of talent (DFW) so we have to do something to start getting some good players...A new stadium is the fix. Then hopefully you are done with all the construction on campus (Football, baseball, basketball and the campus).

shortnkerley's said...

I have a theory on fixing up the DMC, but it's kind of a catch-22. At least show me that the program is moving forward and has some sort of commitment to winning before we sink a ton of money into a new arena. I realize that by doing that, we would be showing a commitment to change, but I wanna see it on the court/staff before we coddle them with fancy new digs. I haven't seen decent basketball at this school since 2004-5. That's too long. You know why baseball and football get all these fancy new things? Because they have clear cut goals of winning and they are coming to fruition. As far as I can see, the basketball program has no direction and doesn't even know what it wants to become.

Rotten Arsenal said...

How old is that freaking picture? The remains of the old baseball field are still there!

Phrynosoma said...

i agree with curt...new stadium has to be the way...an updated stadium would cost us a year and probably wouldnt get on par with any big 12 school. I am pretty sure that we can play the homes games at Paschal and not have a sell out.

cmlakey said...

With respect to your opinion shornkerley's, the real success of both the football and baseball programs didn't come until the school started putting money into them. 18-year-old kids like shiny new things, ask Oregon and OSU about that.

As far as DMC is concerned, I would say renovate it except that the renovations necessary (especially getting rid of the mobile home stainless steel look) would probably warrant just taking a wrecking ball to it and building it from the ground up again. I think it's in a good spot aesthetically with regard to how it fits in with the football stadium and I'm not sure where they'd put a new arena if not where it is now. The problem is it would take somewhere around $25-30 million (I'm just going by the Ferrell Center at Baylor) and I don't see too many wealthy alumni willing to privately fund the project a la Amon Carter. I guess, then, it would be a catch-22 @shortnkerly's, but I think the monetary commitment has to come before we see any top area recruits wearing purple.

EdK said...

When the day comes that DMC is filled to capacity -- and only then -- should TCU even consider refurbishing it.

It's not a bad place to watch a game when it has a (mostly) full crowd. But those days are far, far away.

Win, get the student body to actually come to the games, recruit a standout player or two, get the student body to actually come to the games, play some good competition at home, get the student body to ...

You get the idea.

Spit Purple said...

I've always wanted to see the top of the dome covered in purple tile.

Cro-magnon Frog said...

The team needs to show signs up promise. I'm not asking for an annual top 10 ranking, but maybe be in the top 64 5-6 times in a decade? If they did this, the crowd would increase and there would be a need for new digs.

I also agree with CM lakey, nothing will happen unless we get some private funding.

If however, when we do decide to build a new arena, I think we need to make it absolutely on Par with the Carter and try to incoporate them all in the same design scheme. Also, chain nets, that would be gangsta

VikingFrog said...

Give Taz a couple of mops and have him and the rest of the Looney Tunes spit-shine the current digs.

FrogHorn07 said...

An complete renovation is the minimum, really you need a new stadium. You are not going to win anything in the Big 12 with crappy facilities like the DMC, it is not going to happen. If you want to win then sink in the money and wait a couple of years for the results.

Wait for a good team then build them a stadium = never competing in the Big 12.

Texas Hammer said...

Interesting side note - the building immediately to the left (west) of the DMC is the old weight room / equipment room for football.

My how far we have come!

Cro-magnon Frog said...

FrogHorn,

Throwing money at a failing situation is not the way to solve a problem. It's what politicians and irresponsible parents do.

GP created some great teams finding underrated 2 and 3 star recruits. And because he did this, more fans have started showing up, more money has been dumped into the program and he has been able to get better recruits.

You have to remember, TCU has been one of the winningest programs in all of College football for a decade before they got a much needed new stadium.

The basketball program needs to show us they deserve it before we just hand them all of these nice new things.

VikingFrog said...

@CroMag

I thought the heart and soul of TCU was awarding your bratty kids that just failed out of school and put on academic probation with a shiny new Tahoe?

FrogHorn07 said...

@ Cro

We are in the Big 12 now, we are not working our way through crap conferences. GP could not have started a winning tradition from the ground up in a real conference with no financial backing. It would have taken too long to get good results and he would have got canned.

FrogHorn07 said...

Baylor and Okie Lite are the road map for building a program in a big conference.

shortnkerley's said...

Froghorn - have you seen Baylor's god awful football stadium that's about 8 miles from campus? That really kills the argument of building some awesome facility in order to get good, because that place is a piece of shit. And please, don't refer to Baylor as a "road map for building a program in a big conference". They have like, 1 bowl win in ages and RGIII is gone. Let's not jump the gun and anoint them some raging success at this point.

CounselorFrog said...

So your saying that all we need is a player on player murder in a field and a coaching staff to try and cover it up, and then boom baby, final four here we come!

Sir Wesley Willis said...

@ froghorn

So you mean hiring a raging alcoholic coach, then not winning anything after you fire him and, in Baylor's case, implementing negative recruiting tactics is the path to success?

shortnkerley's said...

My bad. I guess you meant Baylor is the model for building basketball and Ok State is the model for building football, because Ok State sucks at basketball now and Baylor isn't there yet in football. I got confused.

But yeah, I'd rather not have a good basketball team than have to get a murder scandal to achieve one. And is Baylor basketball really well funded like Ok State football is?

Sir Wesley Willis said...

Sorry, think I got my OSU facts wrong... so we should hire a raging alcoholic coach then let him hand pick his son as a successor - who also liked the bottle - fire him, then not win anything ever again?

And I'm sorry, I know Baylor has a good team this year, but you're a moron if you think that shit has been come by honestly. Watching them get trounced by Kansas was super satisfying last night, and Kansas has the worst dork fans in all of sports. Worse than Baylor's.

Lyle Lanley said...

Holy Crap, the daily discussion worked! Tomorrow we'll be discussing the best and worst options when choosing an Italian cruise line for your next vacation.

VikingFrog said...

We could discuss SOPA?

Cro-magnon Frog said...

Can't discuss SOPA, it'll make the website blackout